Sunday, August 8, 2010

i believe most

in that which does not exist

21 comments:

Whatever said...

It's true, nothing IS real! I saw it with my own soul. I heard her sing. : )

thequietchair said...

Hi Whatever, thanks. That makes sense to me.
As I posted this I was thinking about how I believe in this world without war. It just makes more sense to me so its more real, but it doesn't exist now.
Soon after posting I thought about how many people beleive in what they are taught and think about God. Which God, well I was thinking about the Christian God which I personally dont think exits for me, but I do respect people who believe and live good lives following some of the basically good and wise teachings in the Bible...but then became wry and began to become more distorted as I thought further on it.
I like to check in google to see if the quote is in the data base and usually im surprised to see its not there , although sometimes a similar thought is expressed with different words.
I dont think it means the thought is original, I just like to say something that hasnt been said a lot, unless im quoting someone i admire. I sometimes wonder if this habit of checking google is egotistical of me. I kind of hope it is more like just trying to be different and not repetitive. Im not trying to say this is my thought,im smart, im really just saying this is a thought that stuck with me for awhile or that i put down in writing for some reason, now what do you (anyone else besides me) think?.... but the strange part is how many interpretations can come out of one thought. It kind of is fun as long as its known out front that im not trying to demean or stigmatize anyone.

Sassy said...

Me too...

Whatever said...

Ha I've googled my thoughts too to see if anyone else had them first :)

The funny thing with belief is that if you know something is real you don't need it.

I think beliefs can be used as a blindfold that actually stop you from seeing. i.e. "I don't need to look for or experience God in my life I'll just believe in it instead."

rivercat said...

"I'll just think its real (exists)instead"

sounds almost silly, but its likely someone thinks that about what i say too :)

rivercat said...

hi sassy

i just wanted to say that i was looking at what i originally posted and thinking about other interpretations there might be , perhaps less obvious more negative ones and then i saw your post and felt good again ..trivial? perhaps in the grand scheme of things but at the time, at that moment it was a lifesaver :)

zonedin said...

If I think I get what you all are saying... I would contribute that because of human nature and freewill our belief in a peaceful world can't really exist even though we believe in it. We can see see greed and violence in the small child even when that child has never experienced themself. For most children peaceful resolutions have to be taught. Unfortunately we cannot control every experience a child has.

zonedin said...

(Itouch again)
Another human phenomena that happens is that most people just want fit in and follow what everyone else is doing, but there are always a few who want to be different. So imagine a world where everybody is peaceful and kind..do you think there might be few who are just sick of all

zonedin said...

...the gushy sweetness and want to be different?
There's always someone who wants to shake things up. They'd likely get exhumed or executed then starts the whole ball of fire again.
I don't know anything.. I just think of these things.

zonedin said...

Whoops the itouch changed my word...exhumed should be executed. Sorry.

rivercat said...

I believe that within the next 500 years major and minor wars will be no more. I am hoping that people will still be around too of course!

As far as rebellion against the establishment, that will always exist. I think that its up to the establishment to give in rather than wage war against the rebels. Embrace them, understand them, and never make a martyr of one. I don't think a rebellion that turns into a war in inevitable due to human nature. I think it is controllable and that early education focusing on why people rebel against things including conformity, feeling abandoned, social injustice, feeling imprisoned by a socio economic system etc.

Sassy said...

Glad you could feel good again. I love your posts. :)

zonedin said...

Maybe big wars between cultures and nations could potentially simmer for a while. But that human nature part.. have you ever witnessed a toddler brother biting his baby sisters toe when mom and dad are not looking because he just wants to hurt her? I've seen it so many times... violence in such young minds and no outward reason for it. Yes, education is how we solve that innate desire to fight, but there are also mothers who will bite the toe of their child when they are pissed. (this is just an example, there are worse things parents do) Is is possible to get everyone on the same peace page at the same time? I just start with these smaller examples of fighting because I do believe they are the root of the bigger battles.
I hope I am not being too pessimistic or naive on this. It's just my thoughts. Nothing I say is scientific.

Wasn't there a 70"s Star Trek that explored a world of total peace? I think there were some problems with it ultimately.

As much as I want it to be possible. I do believe in it, though it may be less concrete and more abstract.

rivercat said...

The reason I am optimistic is that regardless of my nature, i could easily fit into and live in a peaceful world.

There were a few star treks about peace so Im not sure which you mean. Perhaps the one where war was programmed into the society and people reported to the death machines? Im not sure but there are too many that come to mind including 2generation...and no im not a trekie but I admire the idealism and though provoking stories

Whenever I get really down on people being hopelessly governed by genetics or thier survival skills I get surprised by some act of
incredible generosity or kindness. I just feel that we can overcome those failings, with hard work, strategies and education,...at least enough to keep it all out of the way and on the back burner

zonedin said...

I feel the same way.

On the Star Treks, I am so bad at remembering details but it was about the crew visiting this world that seemed so peaceful and loving yet it was an illusion of peace. So maybe it was that killing machine one.

I loved Star Trek when I was little. So much so that I had lucid dreams about being on the Starship very often. I had a little seat right next to Spock. We had conversations and I was included in adventures on the planets, but I was never killed. I felt safe in their hands. It was the first generation and I was a goofy kid.

Peace and Happiness to you!

rivercat said...

i think you may be tlking about the "landrau" episode where the computer malfunctioned that had been keeping the society going fo a long time. In the end they were reluctant to start over without the computer's help (which the crew destroyed.)
In essense they now had to live their own lives and were frightened.
?does that sound like the one?

zonedin said...

No that's not it. I am not good with the details because it was such a long time ago, but I remember that they landed on a planet that was very beautiful and had lots of doting, caring, beautiful women. The men did not want to leave. It was so peaceful, and filled with love, but of course I think it was either Captain Kirk or Spock who figures out there is a catch to all this pleasantness. I just can't remember what the "catch" was.

rivercat said...

the planet where spock fell in love? I think it had spores that kept everyone in a state of euphoria, but thier sun was going to explode or something like that and they werent realistic about leaving? If i get some time i'll look it up on the internet if thats the one

zonedin said...

Oh, yes. That sounds like it could be it. Or it might be the one where the women rule the planet and I forget what they do to the men to tame them. I really should just watch some of those again. I bet it would trigger some memories of the dreams that I had. I can't remember them now but I can picture myself in some of them. I remember telling myself at 7 or 8 years old that I was going to tell Spock or the captain somthing next time I joined them. It was funny that it actually worked and I remember being answered too. I just didn't know there was a name for what I was doing. (Lucid Dreaming) It was my little secret. I did it with I Love Lucy shows too. She thought I was a nutty little girl when I tried to tell her how to get out of her troubles.
I'm just rambling. Sorry.

rivercat said...

there was one called "spocks brain" where the women were underground and the men were cave men on top controlled by pain and pleasure devices i think... I dont know there may be others too!
I am not really that familiar with the term lucid dreaming but i'll look into it sometime.
i dont mind rambling posts but i dont think yours made it to that level anyhow. Now some of mine are pretty bad ramblers sometimes/ that im sure of :)

zonedin said...

Well.. I learned when I was in my late twenties that Lucid dreaming is when you can control the things you do and say in your dreams. I could even control what I chose to dream about. It is very hard to do it now, but occasionally I can say things I had planned to say if I dream about that person again. I just can't control what I dream about anymore.